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If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« on: December 24, 2009, 03:20:12 PM »
we'd all stage a mass protest and march on Capitol Hill, or something like that. But that's not happening. Except when I get a spur of mathematical and computational inspiration and decide to see what basketball's "BCS Standings" would be like. The current top 25 would be:

1. Texas (Top Big 12)
Kansas
Syracuse (Top Big East)
Purdue (Top Big Ten)
5. Duke (Top ACC)
Kentucky (Top SEC)
West Virginia
Villanova
Kansas State
10. North Carolina
Connecticut
Michigan State
New Mexico
Georgetown
15. Mississippi
Ohio State
Tennessee
Florida
Washington (Top Pac-10)
20. Butler
Clemson
Temple
UNLV
Texas A&M
25. Gonzaga

I used the AP Poll, USA Today Poll, the 3 BCS computers that also do basketball rankings, and then three other computer rankings. Those three different computers, and the AP poll instead of the Harris Poll, are the only differences between the BCS and my standings - the calculation method is exactly the same.

UNC got a bit b****slapped by the computers - definitely a result of our losses, despite the fact we've had a tough non-conference schedule.
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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2009, 06:23:51 PM »
wow this is pretty cool man.  And let us pray to the basketball gods that we never have some stupid BCS crap take over college basketball.  I was tempted to watch Div III football a while back bc of their championship.

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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2009, 11:51:47 PM »
I'll update it every so often - I coded a little program so I just have to plug in all the rankings and it calculates it for me, but it won't be a set time every week or fortnight. It will be done though. ;)
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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2009, 12:32:20 AM »
From Monday's Polls:

1. Texas (Top Big 12)
Kansas
Syracuse (Top Big East)
Purdue (Top Big Ten)
5. West Virginia
Kentucky (Top SEC)
Duke (Top ACC)
Villanova
Kansas State
10. North Carolina
Connecticut
Georgetown
Michigan State
Temple
15. Ohio State
New Mexico
Mississippi
Washington (Top Pac-10)
Tennessee
20. Clemson
BYU
Wisconsin
UAB
Texas Tech
25. Northwestern
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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2009, 02:33:20 PM »
You coded a program for this?  Sweet.  I didn't know you were a code monkey.  That's awesome.

So the results you post are what your program produces, right? And the program's based mostly on wins v losses or what?  The differences btwn yours and the AP/ESPN poll are interesting.

Seems interesting to me that dook is ranked above Villanova when Vill has an 11-1 record and dook only has a 9-1 record.  Kind of strange where Kansas State is ranked also given it's 11-1 record. I haven't looked to see what Villanova or KS's schedules have been like, but it's not like dook's has been ultra-tough or anything.
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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2009, 05:45:13 PM »
It's done exactly like the BCS Standings, just with a few different polls.

The BCS Standings are done thusly:

(Harris Poll Points/Total Potential Harris Poll Points) + (USA Today Poll Points/Total Potential USA Today Poll Points)

Then, for the computers, the best and worst rankings are removed from each team, and each team is given an inverse point score for each position in the ranking, so 1st = 25, 2nd = 24...25th = 1 point. So the highest possible total there is 100 for the four scores out of 6.

So it becomes the first line + (Total Computer Points/100). Add that together, and divide by 3 and you get each team's BCS Score. Only difference is that the BCS uses the Harris Poll, USA Today Poll, and the computers are Peter Wolfe, Kenneth Massey, Colley Matrix, Jeff Sagarin, Anderson & Hester, and Richard Billingsley - mine uses the USA Today Poll, the AP Poll, and the computers I use are Kenneth Massey, Colley Matrix, Jeff Sagarin, Sonny Moore, Compughter, and Entropy.

I have been dabbling in trying to make my own computer ranking system, but it requires some immense mathematical skill, which I don't really have.
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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2010, 01:50:40 AM »
Hm, so the BCS ranking system is actually maybe less "biased" or I guess is based on a broader data set?  Interesting.  Makes me hate it less somehow and yet... no, I hate it. It's stupid.

Haha, you know what you should do is create some formula where UNC is always #1 and Dook always has a crappy rating and State is non-existent at times.  That would be awesome.  Do it and I'll make it some kind of feature here with the rebuilt site.

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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 02:17:58 AM »
1. Kansas (Top Big 12)
Villanova (Top Big East)
Syracuse
Kentucky (Top SEC)
5. Texas
Duke (Top ACC)
Michigan State (Top Big Ten)
West Virginia
Purdue
10. Kansas State
Brigham Young
Georgetown
Gonzaga
Tennessee
15. Wisconsin
Temple
Pittsburgh
Vanderbilt
Mississippi
20. Connecticut
Ohio State
Butler
Georgia Tech
New Mexico
25. Clemson

Lol Pac-10 Lol.
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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2010, 01:11:27 PM »
I wonder when's the last time a team went from #4 to not ranked? And when's the last time we were not ranked?
Still unsure why Dook is ranked so high.

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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2010, 07:53:09 PM »
The computers I use have Duke still sitting 2nd for the most part, and Kentucky 9th or 10th. So, yeah. Least Duke lost to Georgetown today, that should knock them down a bit, both in my system and in the polls. Hopefully. :dontknow:
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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #10 on: February 02, 2010, 12:39:13 AM »
KY at 9th or 10th?  How's that happen?

ugh, we lost again.   wth is wrong w/ us

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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #11 on: February 17, 2010, 08:33:46 AM »
and again and agin  :furious:

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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #12 on: February 17, 2010, 06:28:56 PM »
yeah it's pretty ugly.  I've been meaning to start a thread and just kind of ramble w/all my thoughts on this season.  I gotta get some BB shoes though, so I'll prolly do it later tonight. 

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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2010, 09:38:23 PM »
sorry been away, but it's been weird lately. lol

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Re: If NCAA Basketball was calculated like the BCS...
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2010, 12:30:43 AM »
lol, I just saw the headline for that today but haven't read what he wrote.  I'm surprised no one's ran a plane into the IRS building before.  Guy must have been pissed.

Wow, congrats on the job find! Pretty crazy how big the difference in pay and everything will be.  Those multinationals are trouble, hopefully things will be a lot better with the somewhat smaller Lennox.  So do you have to abandon the HVAC'ing completely now?   Bet your wife's happy lol.